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  Seeking information re Jer 33:11

  by Doug Mason in

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  i am seeking information regarding the rendering of jer 33:11.. the nwt renders the opening of that verse: "in this place that you people will be saying is waste ... ".

  whereas the niv renders: "you say about this place, 'it is a desolate place ... '".. which rendering is correct?.

  do the mt, lxx and other sources agree?.

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  Doug Mason

  Bobcat,

  All strength to you. Make your own decisions, but if I may be so bold to make a suggestion: treat and analyse the Bible as you would any piece of literature.

  It did not fall out of the sky like a magic pudding. Each piece, subsequent editing, amendments, and the canonisation process did not exist in a vacuum. These processes took place within their respective cultures.

  So many divergent cultures exist today, and how different were their cultures from each of ours. We must never fall into the trap of impressing our culture on to theirs. They were not writing to us.

  Doug
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  Seeking information re Jer 33:11

  by Doug Mason in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  i am seeking information regarding the rendering of jer 33:11.. the nwt renders the opening of that verse: "in this place that you people will be saying is waste ... ".

  whereas the niv renders: "you say about this place, 'it is a desolate place ... '".. which rendering is correct?.

  do the mt, lxx and other sources agree?.

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  Doug Mason

  Leo, Yes that is the amazing book I am referring to.

  I will look for his book on Daniel; I am not aware of it.

  BOF, Don't go to the Uni library for it -- buy it! I got mine through Amazon.

  Leo, I want to raise an issue that arises from Albertz' book, and I shall do so in a new Thread.

  Doug
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  Jesus' Baptism - 26 or 29 AD?

  by Bobcat in

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  in my own research i've found that scholars are divided as to when jesus was baptised.

  26 and 29 ad seem to be the most reccomended dates.

  i was wondering if anyone could offer info on the points of difference between the two or links to further discussion on the reasons for holding to either date.. thanks in advance..

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  Doug Mason

  Does it matter?

  Doug
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  Seeking information re Jer 33:11

  by Doug Mason in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  i am seeking information regarding the rendering of jer 33:11.. the nwt renders the opening of that verse: "in this place that you people will be saying is waste ... ".

  whereas the niv renders: "you say about this place, 'it is a desolate place ... '".. which rendering is correct?.

  do the mt, lxx and other sources agree?.

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  Doug Mason

  Bobcat,

  I too am very conscious of context. I am trying to unravel the information from scholars regarding the formation, editing, re-editing and assimilation of texts such as the Hebrew and Greek versions of Jeremiah.

  Whose words are we reading at a particular point? What were their ambitions and intentions?

  I only wish I was aware of and studying such things at the early part of my life, not at its ending.

  Doug
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  Seeking information re Jer 33:11

  by Doug Mason in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  i am seeking information regarding the rendering of jer 33:11.. the nwt renders the opening of that verse: "in this place that you people will be saying is waste ... ".

  whereas the niv renders: "you say about this place, 'it is a desolate place ... '".. which rendering is correct?.

  do the mt, lxx and other sources agree?.

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  Doug Mason

  I am so deeply indebted to you all for your expertise and for your freely given help and advice. Thank you.

  I note with interest that Albertz sees the LXX of Jer 33 "represents a more ancient tradition". I understand he means the LXX represents more reliably the ancient ("original") Hebrew text.

  Doug
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  Seeking information re Jer 33:11

  by Doug Mason in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  i am seeking information regarding the rendering of jer 33:11.. the nwt renders the opening of that verse: "in this place that you people will be saying is waste ... ".

  whereas the niv renders: "you say about this place, 'it is a desolate place ... '".. which rendering is correct?.

  do the mt, lxx and other sources agree?.

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  Doug Mason

  Apologies! apologies.

  I did mean Jer 33:10 and not Jer 33:11.

  Doug
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  Seeking information re Jer 33:11

  by Doug Mason in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  i am seeking information regarding the rendering of jer 33:11.. the nwt renders the opening of that verse: "in this place that you people will be saying is waste ... ".

  whereas the niv renders: "you say about this place, 'it is a desolate place ... '".. which rendering is correct?.

  do the mt, lxx and other sources agree?.

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  Doug Mason

  Tammy, thank you.

  The NWT says the people will be saying certain things whereas the NIV says they are already saying those things.

  Renderings at that site exhibit a similar divergence.

  Is the reason grammatical, use of variant sources, eisegetical or exegetical? Were the people speaking of their own time, or proleptically? Were they using hyperbole? Is the text so loosely phrased that it is not possible to know what was originally intended?

  Doug
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  Seeking information re Jer 33:11

  by Doug Mason in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  i am seeking information regarding the rendering of jer 33:11.. the nwt renders the opening of that verse: "in this place that you people will be saying is waste ... ".

  whereas the niv renders: "you say about this place, 'it is a desolate place ... '".. which rendering is correct?.

  do the mt, lxx and other sources agree?.

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  Doug Mason

  I am seeking information regarding the rendering of Jer 33:11.

  The NWT renders the opening of that verse: "In this place that you people will be saying is waste ... "

  whereas the NIV renders: "You say about this place, 'It is a desolate place ... '".

  Which rendering is correct?

  Do the MT, LXX and other sources agree?

  Thanks,

  Doug
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  "THE FLOOD" RESEARCH link

  by clarity in

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  came across this debate regarding noah's ark & the flood!.

  iam doing research on this subject and found it to be very interesting!.

  it is quite long but if you are interested in the science behind the study .... it is not long enough!.

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  Doug Mason

  Since you are conducting research, this will take your interest:

  http://www.jwstudies.com/Two_Flood_Stories.pdf

  In your search, I presume you are including the flood stories of the surrounding nations.

  Doug
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  Why is the Watchtower petrified by Higher Criticism?

  by Doug Mason in

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  what is it about higher criticism that petrifies the watchtower?

  what are they trying to hide?.

  http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/higher%20criticism.

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  Doug Mason

  Knowsnothing,

  Thank you for pointing me to that interesting thread. I will keep it as a PDF.

  Yes, EL was the supreme god while YHWH was one of his underlings. When the Israelites adopted the warlike angry YHWH they gave him the loving creator qualities of El, along with EL's wife Asherah (mother of Baal).

  One of the excellent books I own relative to that subject is: "Yahweh and the Gods and Goddesses of Canaan", John Day.

  http://thegodel.webs.com/

  But back to Biblical Criticism (analysis, study), which is the subject of this Thread.

  I just received a most valuable book that I recently ordered: "Israel in Exile: The History and Literature of the Sixth Century BCE", Rainer Albertz.

  Doug